tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post8456374830361210809..comments2023-11-02T06:28:31.995-07:00Comments on Fugly Horse of the Day Review: Time To...bhmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07305625629888108578noreply@blogger.comBlogger278125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-74147562228507150312010-09-26T21:06:59.614-07:002010-09-26T21:06:59.614-07:00"Fadorable" Haha. LOVE IT!"Fadorable" Haha. LOVE IT!snowponieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267756768127236654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-43656327786840998242010-09-25T18:25:03.190-07:002010-09-25T18:25:03.190-07:00just so you all know, my 15 yr old sister and I ha...just so you all know, my 15 yr old sister and I have started calling our horses "fadorable" since adding the f-bomb seems to be the "it thing"... :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-69878794874500490992010-09-25T13:35:47.176-07:002010-09-25T13:35:47.176-07:00I have a nice gelding who is NOT a rescue by any s...I have a nice gelding who is NOT a rescue by any stretch of the imagination. He didn't suit his previous owners and I have the time and money to give him a chance. (He had a "nervous breakdown" as a show horse. He won LOTS of national level shows and after 3 years had had it. Spooking at rain on the roof, getting in a flop sweat getting trimmed, wigging out on the way down the ring. Too much for him as a full time show horse. So for $5,000.00 I got a national champion who just turned 5. He was less than 1/3 of his daddy's stud fee. I hope with a year off and lots of TLC he'll make a good LOCAL show horse. He was NEVER in any danger. I was sought out as a good match for him. I bought, not rescued, him.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-46961485342746833162010-09-25T13:07:03.505-07:002010-09-25T13:07:03.505-07:00@lolasl: A vet exam is a definite requirement. I ...@lolasl: A vet exam is a definite requirement. I also need a complete history from the owner before I move forward. My list of questions is rather lengthy. Cracked feet can be trimmed, thin horses can be dewormed and properly fed. Chronic conditions raise a huge question mark. I've never taken on a "free" horse, but then again there is no such thing as a "free" horse. I've euthed my fair share of horses and have no desire to do it again any time soon.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01801881760925355281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-53672722105544540332010-09-25T11:45:44.530-07:002010-09-25T11:45:44.530-07:00Speaking as someone who did small animal rescue fo...Speaking as someone who did small animal rescue for a few years, I have no problem with expensive adoption fees and "onerous" criteria that many rescues demand. They are not the only source of animals, whatever the species, and a lot of the policies are geared toward only having to handle an animal through a rescue once. And, from a rescuer perspective, I have some responsibility for animals that come through my rescue forever. <br /><br />I also have no problem with people not wanting to adopt from a rescue because of the policies and expense. There are plenty of other animals out there. Not everyone is suited to rescue an animal. There are lots of downsides. Sure, many animals that end up at auction (or a shelter) are great, but some of them have behaviour issues that contributed to their ending up where they did. These issues aren't always the animal's fault, sometimes they are created or exacerbated by their original owners. <br /><br />In any case, a home is a home is a home. If you want an animal for a specific thing and don't have the time, energy or inclination to sort through rescue animals to find the right one that's fine. To my mind if you keep that animal out of the rescue cycle that's a good thing, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-42990864443474010392010-09-25T10:26:07.323-07:002010-09-25T10:26:07.323-07:00No, fugly has never gone after me. I'm sure sh...No, fugly has never gone after me. I'm sure she'd love to, but so far I've not hit her radar screen. I would say that I have nothing to worry about, but after seeing her go after people like Leland and selectively edit his posts to make him look bad, I tend to think nobody is safe from her attacks. We have a horse in our barn that has stitches in its ankle right now. She wrecked herself in the stall and we still don't know how. Its an ugly mess, the vet is on top of it, but I'm quite sure she could find fault with it and make it look like neglect, which couldn't be further from the truth. <br /><br />I didn't realize consider that part of getting a horse from a rescue. That would suck a bunch. The only sales I will attend anymore are select breed sales because I honestly couldn't handle seeing so many go to the kill buyers and be unable to do anything. I'm maxed out on what I can properly afford to support for horses. As my QH gets older, he costs more so it would be a great disservice to all my horses (new ones included) to take on a rehab case right now. That's not to say I would never do it in the future, I just can't do it now. I go to those small sales and I want to bring home half of what I see even though they would never be any good for me in the long run to keep. Better to stay home....<br /><br /><br />lolaslAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-48927604091506132552010-09-25T08:04:08.088-07:002010-09-25T08:04:08.088-07:00Lolasl All the horses in the kill pens tug BIG TIM...Lolasl All the horses in the kill pens tug BIG TIME at my heart strings. I feel selfish 'cause I have no use, time or money for them. Rescuing and rehabbing a horse isn't something I'm likely ever to do. The Saddlebred Rescue is a fine organization. I just don't agree with all the strings they put on a rescue. I understand they want to ensure the horses safety. I feel that some of the conditions are intrusive.<br />"I agree that an authorized representative of Saddlebred Rescue may enter the property where said animal resides to determine if all conditions of this agreement are being complied with. I further offer that should I violate any of these terms an authorized representative of Saddlebred Rescue may enter upon the land where said animal resides, and take immediate possession of said animal."<br />Who is watching the watchers? I spend time and money retraining a horse and it becomes a local winner. SBR comes in, decides that the horse is being abused/neglected (doesn't state that they have to prove the charges, just that their representative determines that it is true) takes the horse, sticks me with the shipping and boarding bill (that is in the contract later on) and then sells the horse for a profit. <br />Likely or unlikely I don't know. That's a bigger leap of faith then I feel like taking.<br /><br />Eons ago, I refused to allow my kids photos allowed to be used for school publicity photos. It's a blanket waver the school wanted you to sign. You give up ALL rights to your kids image. If they wanted to graft your kids head on to the nekked body of Arnold Schwarzenegger and put a caption under it, "<br />Handicapped kids excel in our school district", they could. Unlikely, yes. But laws are made from the unlikely. I could see an instance where my kids photo would be taken with a reading specialist and that being posted. No identifying info posted... But, reading specialists are known by sight in the school or the school district and my kid (being a local) would be too. Next day on the black top "Seiko goes to Mrs Reading specialist. Seiko can't read!Seiko can't read! I get calls from my friends and neighbors "I didn't know Seiko had reading difficulties. Why didn't you tell me?" <br /> My kid could have just be the photogenic kid of the moment, but try to prove a negative. <br /><br />If you don't think it could happen, look at how fast Fuglyites send a human search engine out on people the don't like just from photos. You've been the victim Lolasl. Very little defense against poor information. <br /><br />This brings up an interesting topic CS, what kind of "strings" should an rescue have when adopting out a horse?Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-60619127385495232982010-09-24T23:23:59.969-07:002010-09-24T23:23:59.969-07:00Kaede, why would you apologize for wanting a certa...Kaede, why would you apologize for wanting a certain type of horse? If you only have the means to support one horse, it should by of the type you want. It sure gives the horse a much better chance of being a `lifer' with you. I do vaguely remember reading about a saddlebred rescue group a long time ago. I have no issue with breed specific rescue groups. Just like Joe at TB friends mostly rescues TBs (he does do the odd other breed too), it all contributes to saving horses. Any horse a responsible person buys is one less that will end up at a kill buyer auction or being bred indiscriminately. Just like if you wanted to show upper level dressage, I'm sure nobody expects you to find your prospect at a rescue. Those types of fairytales are few and far between. <br /><br />I don't think having government mandating that owners have euth money set aside is realistic or even desirable. I do know the drug companies make money hand over fist, I guess I just don't understand why doing the humane thing has to cost so damn much money. It does make it hard to do the right thing. <br /><br />KC would it be worth your time and money to have an independant vet do an exam on the horse before you embark on a long drive to go get him?<br /><br />lolaslAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-2824219650154922472010-09-24T22:57:39.304-07:002010-09-24T22:57:39.304-07:00@LEG: Thanks for the offer of short term fostering...@LEG: Thanks for the offer of short term fostering. I have the paint gelding's owner's name and address from APHA, but still need an e-mail address or phone number. I want to discuss the boy's true issues before embarking on a 12 hour one way trip. The leg issue bothers me more than being mean. I have other halter horses of similar breeding that could be stubborn, pushy and pig-headed but not mean, just big and smart. ~kcKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01801881760925355281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-82637852717015359992010-09-24T20:44:26.639-07:002010-09-24T20:44:26.639-07:00A clarification about my wanting a saddlebred.
I&...A clarification about my wanting a saddlebred.<br /><br />I'm ONLY on the market of a show quality, easy going, show quality saddlebred. I don't care how many nice quiet, OTTB, oldsters, good trail, superior roping, what ever horses are out there. I have no use for them. None, zip, nada. I don't trail ride, I live in a big city and would have to trailer at least 2 hours to get anywhere near a horse trail. No one I know does trail rides, I'm out of the H/J field. I don't like dressage well enough to devote myself to it. I have a limited amount of money I can spend on horses, I need them to be ones that fit my needs. I'm tempted to learn to do combined driving. As I get older it may fit my needs better. So I'd be tempted by a Percheron team. But not a trail horse or a lesson horse or an "all around" horse, they don't fit my needs and I won't buy one to be a pasture puff. (Full board around here is $1,000.00 a month) <br />I'm sure I not the only person in this situation. I'm just not interested in pulling a horse from the kill pen. Nothing is going to change my mind. So how many horses can be saved? How to choose which ones? The ones that pull on our heart strings? The old, neglected or abused ones? The ones that can be retrained and resold quickly? For every one that is pulled from the kill pen, many more go through. What to do with the ones that don't get pulled? How do you want the horses to die? How much should it cost? If you ask the government to make laws so folk will have to set aside money to euth the horses, you are getting the government envolved in horsekeeping .Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-21734491154076347382010-09-24T20:43:40.305-07:002010-09-24T20:43:40.305-07:00Uhm, I'm moving in with you, Mendy. XD
~DK...Uhm, I'm moving in with you, Mendy. XD<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />~DK Still needing that confidence builder I keep getting screwed out of.<br /><br />Oh! I'm down 7 pounds now! WHOOOO!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-50143346186745095402010-09-24T19:04:50.418-07:002010-09-24T19:04:50.418-07:00Sorry to have gotten everyone confused. I must not...Sorry to have gotten everyone confused. I must not have made it clear...I am not a vet student. I'm sending in my applications in to start next Fall. I'm still an undergrad who will graduate with an ANSI degree this December.<br /><br />Yes, this is my hot button issue. While I am really wonderful with memory work, I like to see things and be able to touch them as they are. Pictures can be great, especially when beginning to define musculature. However, I know if I began going at things with the knife and going through it I'd have some issues I.D.ing some things, simply because there is no way I have seen them before in a natural setting. Same thing went for the repro tracts. Lab was long and boring, but I actually liked being able to see what was what and turn them around and pick them up, etc. I think it helps wonders to understand what you are working with. I also think it helps a done for future attempts with ultrasound. I don't want to go, "What is that?" when I should know what it is determined from the case, age, etc. from the animal. I want to ask, "Is it this?" instead.<br /><br />I think that we lost or opportunity for humane slaughter when we banned it here. Yes a pig is not a duck is not a cow, but they are all handled differently when it comes time to give their goodbyes. Horses were no different. Like any operation, it wasn't 100%, but it was close. I hate it when animal rights groups play at ignorant people's heartstrings. I once saw a show with a man saying he saw this horse at a plant and bought her (or he got her from some weird situation) and after that he couldn't support it. He said they 'played.' It was like watching the Grim Reaper do multiple drive bys. This horse was dangerous to this man because it was essentially allowed to do whatever it wanted and push him around.Zephyrine Flycatcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027791471758685246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-11550392434758764972010-09-24T19:02:26.562-07:002010-09-24T19:02:26.562-07:00Thanks for clarification on the chamber, Helen. (...Thanks for clarification on the chamber, Helen. (Yay I made my goal of learning something new each day) I appreciate you answering it so honestly and concisely.<br /><br />I challenge ANYONE to come to our ranch & say that our horses don't love to work. Last week during drill team, Traveller (a 20 yr old TB/Appy) who has been ridden for the last month by a beginner student stood patiently at the gate for the halter to be put on. When his rider did not come for him, he began calling. Loudly. VERY VERY LOUDLY. He spent the entire drill team practice (3 hrs) standing at the gate calling. Finally, another student grabbed Trav to use as her lesson mount. Silly horse got in the ring with his rider and trotted right over to the drill horses and stood quietly in line. Trav has not been on team in 2 yrs but he was pretty sure his novice rider needed him. We believe horses are work driven animals when you find their niche. We love ALL our horses & the only reason any horse is not kept at the ranch is there is no niche for him to fill at that time. And darnit it, next week the temps are supposed to be in the low 70s and dry....guess I will have to go out and take my horse out for a grueling 3 hr walk in the woods. Damn the abuse ;)LadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-47092448522843749132010-09-24T18:39:46.633-07:002010-09-24T18:39:46.633-07:00And sometimes we agree to disagree. As long as a ...And sometimes we agree to disagree. As long as a horse is treated well. And that's the thing about arguments, they can get intense but they make us think about our position and defend it with facts. No matter how many times someone yells, they don't get paid much mind unless there is logic presented.<br /><br />LadyEvieGray, I'm going to quote you on that one! I grew up in a packer family, and the horses worked hard and were appreciated, and loved their job. You're reeeallly not going to get very far into the wilderness in an hour!kestrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03253025366100154732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-36649776340661506452010-09-24T18:34:58.285-07:002010-09-24T18:34:58.285-07:00Thinking the same thing, myself, lots of Anon'...Thinking the same thing, myself, lots of Anon's lately, and 'Odd' stuff going on :)..But all of us have 'buttons.Push any of them long enough and hard enough, and we will react...And No Lady Gray, I wasn't talking about gas chambers, as horrible as they are, you would have to go back further to hear about the vacuum chambers. They were air tight rooms. The dogs and cats were tossed inside and the air was sucked out. It was supposed to be quick and painless. But it was basically just cheap and easy for everyone but the unwanted dogs and cats.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08981309770004058233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-48541626039238127692010-09-24T18:14:23.492-07:002010-09-24T18:14:23.492-07:00CCC
That's one reason I was wondering if we ha...CCC<br />That's one reason I was wondering if we had some moles. Hang around for a while then start a flame war. It happened more then once on FHotD. The difference is here we are trying to stop it and encourage it.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-83736657773256484842010-09-24T18:10:36.101-07:002010-09-24T18:10:36.101-07:00Well, I for sure do not want this blog to implode....Well, I for sure do not want this blog to implode. It is usually a place where people can agree to disagree without name calling and a whole boat load of crap. Don't know what has happened here in the last couple of days, but I know I don't like it.CharlesCityCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322605385748323962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-82785222350580377512010-09-24T17:39:49.708-07:002010-09-24T17:39:49.708-07:00I keep wondering if some folks who are posting Ano...I keep wondering if some folks who are posting Anonymously are trying to stir up attacks so they can say "see just like FHotD". CS has always seemed to me to be level headed. I've never noticed a "hot button". If the lack of horse cadavers is her hot button, so be it. My biology Waterloo came in college, when I was asked to dissect a pig. No more touchy feely sciences for me. I like information science, things that can't be seen, felt or smelled. Information actually only exists in your head. If it is written down it is data.<br />I can't say I'm either pro or anti slaughter. I know the way it is depicted by the anti slaughter folks is horrific. What are we to do with the over supply of horses? If we wait for the market to correct it self, we have at least 30 years of horses to work our way through.<br />I'm not not in the market for anything right now but a but a show quality, youngish, saddlebred. I'd like to have a team of dapple grey percherons. I have no place to keep them or the knowledge to train them how to drive. <br /><br />So what do we do? What is cost effective? No one wants the government to get involved in horse keeping, but when folks start asking for licensing breeders, or making laws about horse keeping the only folk who can enforce such laws is the government. Everything else is just suggestions. <br /><br />Above all else I'd have to have this blog turn into my next research project "When Good Blogs go Bad: The Life and Death of FHotD Review."Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-87485321507371932062010-09-24T17:38:51.983-07:002010-09-24T17:38:51.983-07:00Ok and excuse my grammer in my post.... kids screa...Ok and excuse my grammer in my post.... kids screaming and all... that last sentence is supposed to be "b. a solution of what to do with the excess of horses"<br /><br />Started one sentence and ended with another heheValeriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15699714436159771631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-28919681719315265742010-09-24T17:37:11.070-07:002010-09-24T17:37:11.070-07:00Wow... The anti-slaughter/pro-slaughter argument s...Wow... The anti-slaughter/pro-slaughter argument sure got ugly fast. I am "pro-slaughter" and I have my reasons. I have friends that are "anti-slaughter" and we agree to disagree unless we can talk about it in a civil and calm manner. There is no reason to hurl insults. No reason to call names. We are adults here right? True some younger then others and some with more experience then others but im sure all of us learned at one point to have disagreements in a calm manner. And Im sure all of us have experience that leads us to our decisions.<br /><br />If the disagreements aren't being used for anything productive (IE actually getting either a. a more humane method of slaughter or b. a better way to of what to do with the excess of horses) then there is no point arguing.Valeriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15699714436159771631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-35441627672697634562010-09-24T16:56:47.185-07:002010-09-24T16:56:47.185-07:00To the 5:57 yesterday anon,
As someone who has be...To the 5:57 yesterday anon,<br /><br />As someone who has been in medical office management since 1986, wondering about the whole thing with physicians trying to be able to write off unpaid care. I totally don't remember this at all. Could you elaborate?<br /><br />Additionally, the government has its hands big time in healthcare, it is called Medicare, Tricare and Medicaid.<br /><br /><br />CS, I am confused here, you mention how you weren't able to have access to the internal parts of horses for study. You talked about vet schools, etc... Then when others including myself mentioned an idea about obtaining them, you said that the vet schools are fine. I am assuming that you aren't a vet student? Please explain.<br /><br />Additionally, I think it is wrong of you to insult people who are anti-slaughter. Personally, I don't consider myself a "Prat" and where in the hell did you come up with that term?<br /><br />Just because you don't agree, doesn't give you the right to name call. <br /><br />This isn't Fugly Horse of the Day.CharlesCityCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322605385748323962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-90734833348388593752010-09-24T15:52:39.667-07:002010-09-24T15:52:39.667-07:00On a lighter note to make some of you giggle..rece...On a lighter note to make some of you giggle..recently a friend and I were at our local farm and home & she was buying "monkey butt" powder and udder butter for her saddle sores. We were talking about how much time we were spending the in saddle. I told her that I was jealous that she was riding 4-5 hrs on the trails with her new horse while I was stuck with a mending bum shoulder. This woman wheeled on us and verbally attacked us calling us "abusive, thoughtless, cruel horse owners and someone should get the humane society involved. Horses should NEVER be ridden more than an hour every other day with at least 24 hr rest between each ride" WTH?? She then went on about how the horse "doesn't want to be walking in the woods where it could trip, get its feet tangled on undergrowth, or get bit by a snake." I just started laughing hysterically. I'm abusive because I go on trails. Thats why my horse runs the fenceline when I hook up to the trailer and literally loads himself(no halter or lead). Yeah, he hates it!<br /><br />How freaking ABSURD and this woman proudly announced that she is the owner of an OTTB she got from a rescue and paid only $1500 for him. HA HA HA.LadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-64942329561570826042010-09-24T15:39:58.437-07:002010-09-24T15:39:58.437-07:00CS- Amen!! on your "PETA shows videos, and lo...CS- Amen!! on your "PETA shows videos, and look how many brainless followers they have. Seems to me showing the same footage over and over doesn't register to them, but it does make them feel they have some sort of cause" Footage is taken from years ago, from closed facilities, out of the country and skewered to "fit the cause". It's called PROPAGANDA.<br /><br />Comment on the reproductive tract & lack of cadavars: We euthanize in our trailer with our local vet and donate the body to the University for necropsy purposes. Saves us $ and we feel provides those in the equine studies and vet department a vital resource that is not readily available anymore. <br /><br />On lower numbers: just because there are lower registration numbers does NOT mean breeding is down. It means people may not be registering horses. There are 100s of weanlings and yearlings going through the sale at side and "with application". How about our 4yr old appy sold with application? It will cost us plenty to register her because the breeder did not. Registration numbers don't necessarily=real numbers. Just food for thought on this idea.<br /><br />Helen: "Horror Chambers" dismantled? Do you mean gas tanks? They are still in use in some city pounds. If a no kill shelter, rescue group or other organization won't take the animals, they are killed. (Pet Peeve: not being able to adopt a dog I want because it's "on hold" for a rescue. $20 at the shelter but because it's a purebred it's going to the rescue where I can "adopt" it for a mere $200) Animal welfare my patootey!LadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-8675992700946808152010-09-24T13:30:28.925-07:002010-09-24T13:30:28.925-07:00BEC, I remember how you harangued that one poster ...BEC, I remember how you harangued that one poster a few months back, talking about the prices of horses. I can't remember what all was said, but what stuck in my mind was the long story short of it. You didn't like the fact that if they were going to spend money, they'd rather spend a large amount of money on a car rather than a horse, because it boiled down to you buying cheap horses, training them yourself for a couple of months, then turning them around for a large profit. That's what I got out of that conversation just by reading it. I'm not saying this to start an argument, but you do get a little over passionet on the things you believe in, and yet if anyone disagrees with you, you talk down to them and get aggressive. I personally stopped reading many of your posts since then. I think you need to step back and look at how you talk to people. LOLASL has a point, just as you have a point too. Nobody is hashslinging but you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-75104291252704543842010-09-24T13:25:28.677-07:002010-09-24T13:25:28.677-07:00One of the things I love most about this board is ...One of the things I love most about this board is the ability see the same problems from different perspectives ( even though I DO spend half my time googling for definitions just to try to 'keep up' :)) I agree with lolasl about the current slaughter system and I'll never support it...But on the other hand, I am old enough to remember the fight with the ASPCA and all the 'Respectable' Vets, over the vacuum system of disposing of unwanted dogs and cats. It was a long, and exhausting battle and we heard all the same arguments we are hearing now about the Horses. But in the end the 'Horror Chambers' were dismantled and the focus was shifted to spaying and Neutering and I doubt that many people, now, even remember how horrible it all was before the changes were made. I honestly do not care what happens to the bodies after they are dead. I'm just saying that the process of killing be humane.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08981309770004058233noreply@blogger.com