tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post6216189790894813245..comments2023-11-02T06:28:31.995-07:00Comments on Fugly Horse of the Day Review: Presenting Facts is Hard to Dobhmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07305625629888108578noreply@blogger.comBlogger245125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-70096904367629336692010-11-18T09:39:17.003-08:002010-11-18T09:39:17.003-08:00No problem, Kaede...I've been working through ...No problem, Kaede...I've been working through the whole what to feed and when for years. I keep some grain-free kibble handy for when I goof and don't have raw thawed, and some grain-free raw-dehydrated for travelling.Darcy Jaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748163130094102062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-86516041371134816352010-11-17T20:55:11.201-08:002010-11-17T20:55:11.201-08:00Darcy Jayne, I've explored going on to an all ...Darcy Jayne, I've explored going on to an all raw food diet for the Saints. At this point, it doesn't work out for me. I go with the kibble for convenience. I travel often enough that having them on the kibble is easier for the kennels and or my Japanese House boy (my husband).Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-13674083159317716442010-11-17T13:09:30.480-08:002010-11-17T13:09:30.480-08:00Kaede - if you want, I can point you to some resou...Kaede - if you want, I can point you to some resources for switching your Saints to a raw food diet. It may work out cheaper for you than the grain-free kibble and has the advantage of giving you even more control over their diet.Darcy Jaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748163130094102062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-8104363660342575142010-11-17T11:11:50.482-08:002010-11-17T11:11:50.482-08:00Patch...we quit using iodine after a vet pointed o...Patch...we quit using iodine after a vet pointed out that it burns..he said it is effective but with so many other products now on the market, they scabs hurts if they aren't softened. His advice which works is medicated bathing, followed by krudbuster, lots of brushing as the scabs loosen and and spray with tinactin :)LadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-8969403355215274662010-11-17T08:20:02.047-08:002010-11-17T08:20:02.047-08:00Hi. I've been reading this blog for only a cou...Hi. I've been reading this blog for only a couple months now(did a search for why FHotD was down, found your site). I used to be a constant reader over there, but never really got into the comments. I am very glad I found this site! While I personally like snark, she kept going waaaay out of line, and it was really getting to me. <br /><br />Any way, I want to comment on the rain rot issue. I have a horse that seemed to allways get it in the summer, no matter what anyone did. It would completely dissappear when she got her winter coat, though. What we used to get rid of it was a mix of Dawn, listerine(whitening- I used it because she's white(paint), but it could have something to do with it?) and Iodine. Worked wonders.Patchworkannienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-78937749752856577362010-11-17T07:12:04.002-08:002010-11-17T07:12:04.002-08:00Kaede: rain rot is also very prevalent in horses ...Kaede: rain rot is also very prevalent in horses that are outside during the winter and not groomed regularly. Moisture gets trapped under the heavy winter coats (in MO at least) and just sits there. Then incomes the invading fungus (though there is not just one kind of fungus....there are tons that all cause the icky looking scabs). And, because its a fungus it spreads through spores on brushes and curries and bumping up against each other.....we spray ALL brushes with walmart's cheapy anti-fungal spray (it really does help) & for the ones that have it (yep, we have had some come in with it and the damn drunk saddlebred is really prone to it though his owner works so hard on him) we use KrudBuster by Cowboy Magic.<br /><br />Wheres our microbiologist?? 3 yrs ago a very prominent show arena had to close its doors to Equine herpes....8 horses died after 3 horse shows. They spent months disinfecting everything and scraping out the arena footing. They also now advise everyone to bleach your stalls in the show barns before putting your horse in. Do you have personal knowledge of equine herpes? I have yet to meet someone who has any personal experience with it and I'd really like to know more first handLadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-19560021410163459752010-11-16T20:26:42.614-08:002010-11-16T20:26:42.614-08:00Thanks Paddy. My vest said the Saints are allergic...Thanks Paddy. My vest said the Saints are allergic to ALL grains. So they are on a fancy and EXPENSIVE ($60.00 for 25 pounds) kibble. But... in the summer they manage to sneak more snacks that have grain in them. Out at the beach and they WILL find the left over hot dog bun. Then they itch. I guess one break in the skin and bam they got it.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-12096042366789730692010-11-16T18:24:14.685-08:002010-11-16T18:24:14.685-08:00Ohh, I just looked up what it was - I used to work...Ohh, I just looked up what it was - I used to work with Actinomycetes They're pretty neat - I was 'bio-prospecting' to try to find new drug candidates.deenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-53632677289405660332010-11-16T18:09:46.866-08:002010-11-16T18:09:46.866-08:00Kaede, rain rot is caused by a funky microorganism...Kaede, rain rot is caused by a funky microorganism somewhat of a cross between a fungus and a bacteria, while hot spots are caused by staph. I've seen both here in the Pacific NW, plus scratches/mud fever. <br /><br />Q: strangles, distemper, glanders, what's the difference in the three?<br />all those names used to fascinate me when I was a kid!<br /><br />-PaddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-52423996043425425452010-11-16T15:51:40.588-08:002010-11-16T15:51:40.588-08:00New horse had a through going over nasal swab done...New horse had a through going over nasal swab done, blood screens and x rays done. Horse was in tip top shape.<br /><br /> I'm a worrier. Guess 'cause I grew up in the late '60 and early '70 "The only thing worse than having VD is giving it to someone" remember that Public Service TV Ad? <br /><br />I've heard of well kept horses getting rain rot here in the humid South. Is rain rot the same type thing as hot spots in dogs? Every summer my long haired Saints get terrible hot spots. One day they are fine the next day large oozing sores.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-60908512970307509022010-11-16T14:48:29.737-08:002010-11-16T14:48:29.737-08:00Anon 2:39 - same here in Puget Sound, it's jus...Anon 2:39 - same here in Puget Sound, it's just more prevalent on neglected horses. I have a number of friends who take very good care of their horses and still have to deal with the occasional bout of rainrot.NotAFollowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134003148196639993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-21031486693380091252010-11-16T14:45:20.150-08:002010-11-16T14:45:20.150-08:00LEG, thats a nasty one. I haven't seen that o...LEG, thats a nasty one. I haven't seen that one - also I'm no longer working as a microbiologist, so I don't get to see/hear about the funky ones any more. <br /><br />Then again - I'm from New Zealand - a country that closed its borders to all equines for a month or 3 when there was an out break of equine influenza in Australia - if you worked with horses in Aus, and were coming to NZ, you basically got all your clothes and shoes cleaned for you by biosecurity! They didn't get any cases here, so fingers crossed it never gets here.Deenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-10460748247447826952010-11-16T14:39:39.658-08:002010-11-16T14:39:39.658-08:00Even healthy groomed horses can pick up rain rot d...Even healthy groomed horses can pick up rain rot down here in the humid south, not just ones who aren't groomed or are sickly. Same goes for scratches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-55495132441949634322010-11-16T14:06:45.693-08:002010-11-16T14:06:45.693-08:00Rain rot is also a problem in the Puget Sound regi...Rain rot is also a problem in the Puget Sound region - temperate climate, lots of rain. Seems like almost every horse that's rescued around here (neglected horses dumped at auction or confiscated by animal control) has at least some rain rot.NotAFollowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17134003148196639993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-75234355984616539522010-11-16T11:43:44.045-08:002010-11-16T11:43:44.045-08:00wheeeeeew..... Strangles is no big deal, huh, Fugl...wheeeeeew..... Strangles is no big deal, huh, Fugly?<br />here's what I've gathered from her:<br /> she rode at a first and worst barn, like many of us.<br /> she 'taught' lessons to kids when she was a teenager. There was no arena, so she brought the riders into a pasture and asked them to ride in circles on the grass while other horses grazed nearby.<br />she says she played two-on-two polo in eastern Wisconsin.<br /><br />she has yet to share a resume. Don't you find that odd? I certainly do.<br /><br /> word verif:<br />brafeint<br />I think I'll just pretend I'm wearing a bra.<br />Or my brain just fainted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-33443148048964797842010-11-16T11:26:55.965-08:002010-11-16T11:26:55.965-08:00Too too funny. My word captcha was "denabut&...Too too funny. My word captcha was "denabut"<br />Swear to God!ROFLMAODenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16169193080215723583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-10623582857562384542010-11-16T11:11:53.670-08:002010-11-16T11:11:53.670-08:00Hey Dee....have you come across streptococcus zooe...Hey Dee....have you come across streptococcus zooepidemicus yet? It's a species jumper. <br /><br />Check out this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC273320/pdf/jcm00174-0106.pdf<br /><br />I wonder if old Fugs would treat herself with a shot and go on..............LadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-53280669751168778102010-11-16T10:49:27.050-08:002010-11-16T10:49:27.050-08:00Ok - rain rot and mud fever are totally different ...Ok - rain rot and mud fever are totally different - I never got humid conditions where I grew up and rode - hot, dry and windy, yes, cold, wet winters yes, humid, nope! <br /><br />As for Madam Spitty - she was mostly a sweetie and you could put your hand inside her mouth to check her teeth, but get within smelling range with wormer and you were going to wear it along with a good dose of her spit! She was a 14.2h QHx and man when she decided she didn't want something to happen she was powerful enough to make life difficult. <br /><br />We were the same on hygene - you didn't borrow gear - if you borrowed a bit to test on your horse, you cleaned it before it went anywhere near your horse - and you didn't take it if the people had sick horses. <br /><br />Kaede - to diagnose a strangles carrier you would need to get a nasal swab done, the bacteria will be living in the nose/sinuses and is unlikely to show up on any other tests than a swab that is taken then screened for the bacteria.Deenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-73976912206956042382010-11-16T10:45:52.298-08:002010-11-16T10:45:52.298-08:00It was March 1999. I was a boarder in that situat...It was March 1999. I was a boarder in that situation. I had 3 horses boarded and my best friend's horse, Jill was there. Strangles ran rampant in the barn. 15 of the purchased horses went down and died. 11 trail string horses died. The boarding manager's take: shoot em up with penicillin and let nature take the course from there. There was a mass exodus from the boarders. These horses were exposed, some sick but not showing clinical signs yet. They moved barns and suddenly there was an epidemic. The Dept of Ag began getting calls because horses were being transported all over. I stayed put because my Jack had the worst case of all coupled with pupura. My Gypsy was 16 yrs and did not show one clinical sign. Sam was newly bought and had actually been vaccinated. My best friend's horse, Jill did not show a single sign of it. It took me nearly 4 months to get my horse well. My vet bill was over $2000. Once we got the ok to move barns, both my best friend and I did. We moved to a "clean barn" 6 weeks later, several young horses came down with strangles. My friend took Jill home a couple weeks later upon buying a farm. No horses had ever been on the farm. She bought a young horse and 4 weeks later. It developed strangles. Jill apparently once exposed became a carrier. She never left my friend's property again. She died there and is buried. It's been nearly 4 yrs since Jill died and she has not had strangles in her barn. <br /><br />I don't want to hear this is no big deal. It's highly communicable. It mutates. Carries don't show clinical signs...never once getting sick. It will be driven into the internal organs. Pupura can cause edema so badly the horse's skin bursts and weeps. It's an ugly, dangerous thing and with someone like Fugs yelling "give it a shot and don't worry about it", the public is misinformed and it can cause an epidemicLadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-23090180079168176282010-11-16T10:35:29.960-08:002010-11-16T10:35:29.960-08:00Kaede: I can answer the carrier question.
Carrier...Kaede: I can answer the carrier question.<br />Carriers of strangles are asymptomatic. They do not show any of the classic signs of strangles and you do not know they are carrying it. Unless you are in a barn with low traffic and every time you bring a new horse in even though you have the strictest quarantine procedures and then 14-21 days after the horse inter mingles it develops strangles, you would not suspect it.<br /><br />Picture this: boarding facility that has a high traffic trail riding operation open to the public and offers overnight accommodations as well. Manager buys a lot of horses from a BYB (approximately 40), some are coughing occasionally, some are snotty, some have runny eyes, a few are standing in the classic strangles throat relief stance. He brings these horses in, turns them into the pasture with the boarded horses. Water sources are troughs shared between paddocks and pastures. What happens next??LadyEvieGrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262837049708577540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-33099863322753939812010-11-16T09:26:32.548-08:002010-11-16T09:26:32.548-08:00This is something I'm ignorant of, but wouldn&...This is something I'm ignorant of, but wouldn't a "hidden shedder of strangles" be revealed during a complete vet check? The kind I just paid a $1000.00 for? With blood work up and x rays and everything?Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-82984825632249246952010-11-16T09:22:56.480-08:002010-11-16T09:22:56.480-08:00Purple Chicken
Cathy reads this blog so she knows ...Purple Chicken<br />Cathy reads this blog so she knows who you are. Why are all her readers 20 year olds? I don't think they are. I do think the majority of posters are in the middle of adolescent rebellion or young adult Identity crisis. That's why you get the jumping on the band wagon to out folks who they condemn as "bad" it's part of defining your identity as different from your parents. Some human development person said "young men want justice old men want mercy" that's cause old folk (parents by the time they get an older teen or twenty something) know they have screwed up intentionally and unintentionally. Young folks think they won't. <br />What is odd is Cathy is stuck in that development state. A truism about drug use goes "when folks start to use drugs they stop developing emotionally" Is Cathy's "drug" her blog? Could be, but then why didn't she grow up in her 20's and 30's when the rest of us figure out we have clay feet? Again I vote for malignant narcissism or her being a psychopath.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-10469150586009002010-11-16T08:59:16.892-08:002010-11-16T08:59:16.892-08:00I think Monoceros was actually taking a jab at fug...I think Monoceros was actually taking a jab at fugly's 'when I was in my 20s and living in the midwest, it was no big deal' statement. <br /><br />Every since I can remember getting strangles was more than a 'pain in the ass'. Back in the 80's, my dad used to buy a lot of horses out of the sale barns and one of those horses passed out Strangles to all the rest of our yearlings. We ended up losing 5 head. The carrier yearling, 3 of our home raised yearlings and a stalled 2y/o stallion. It was a big deal then too. <br /><br />I did find one of fugly's comments odd though (and I'm going to paraphrase cause I don't feel like going back and reading that drivel again today)...She said when she was in her teens and before show horses and showing, when she just knew polo...<br /><br />What?<br /><br />Back when fugs was all hyped up on showing the VLC, all she talked about was how she showed in her teens and she actually posted a picture of herself on a show horse, at a show. When she was a teenager!<br /><br />Come on fugs...Your stories are getting mixed up. We all realize that you have a constantly revolving reader base, so it's easy to BS the 'newbies', but those of us that have been reading your crap for years are starting to see a lot of holes in your stories.<br /><br />And, I'm sorry, but if you pull the shoes on your horse and he goes dead lame, there is something wrong with your farrier and his work. Getting a little tender-footed on say..gravel...might be expected..but refusing to move and showing signs of laminitis? Having to boot them for turn-out? OMG! Bad Farrier...BAD!!!!!!BrownEyed Cowgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03610547057139295854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-17152529644215194192010-11-16T06:16:30.704-08:002010-11-16T06:16:30.704-08:002 things. 1: Cathy's hypocrisy never ceases to...2 things. 1: Cathy's hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. She won't give VLC a hock injection when he needs it, but she's going to advocate shooting horses up with Penicillin even though the vets don't recommend it. 2: The way her statement was made makes it sound as if she think that she knows more than the vets do [Is it because we shot them up with so much penicillen back then (which now the vets tell you not to do?)]. <br /><br />I also hate how other people are dogging those of us with straight out facts... Monoceros says:<br />NOVEMBER 16, 2010 AT 7:45 AM<br />Huh. Must be a 20s Midwest opinion then<br /><br />First off, why is everyone a 20 yr old something? Yes, I am 20, however just because someone posts something that you (Monoceros) doesn't agree with doesn't mean that they are in their 20s (insinuating that they are young and don't know anything). Second, why is the Midwest so much different the rest of the county as far as the fuglyblog is concerned? Horses are horses. Yes, the climates may be different so situations will be slightly different, but I can't see the horses from one part of North America being THAT different from other parts of North America...<br /><br />Done ranting... off to work and school...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8134505110396108058.post-53510108601050809452010-11-16T05:43:48.567-08:002010-11-16T05:43:48.567-08:00Dee, I'm not sure if rain rot and mud fever co...Dee, I'm not sure if rain rot and mud fever come from the same bacteria, but I don't believe they come from the same conditions.<br /><br />The rain rot I'm familiar with comes about in the hot and humid Southern Summer. It affects horses in poor condition and that are ill tended. (Not groomed regularly). The mud fever I was familiar with up in Northern VA came about around February and March when the areas around gates were turned to seas of churned mud. <br /><br />Maybe we were lucky, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that sanitary procedures were hammered into everyone's head. We just didn't share a horses equipment. Everything was kept scrupulously clean. <br />The horses we had were well vetted BEFORE they set hoof on the stable grounds. Then they were kept away from the rest of the stables/ field for 30 days. Every thing they used was scrubbed and disinfected daily and not shared by anyone else. <br />Cathy never talks about this sort of memory. I know that for every hour on a horse I spent 30 minutes grooming that horse and an hour cleaning equipment. I have lots of memories of scrubbing.Kaedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12771580530132454160noreply@blogger.com